49ers/Patriots

[Patriots GM (Daniel)]

49ers Trade
Patrick Willis (LB - SF) $2,046,000 (2017)
2011 49ers 3rd (7th in Round)

Patriots Trade
Wes Welker (WR - NE) $2,150,000 (2011)
2011 Patriots 1st (28th in Round)
2012 Patriots 3rd

[bankshots]

Just wondering what the difference is between a trade that is uneven, and one where a team is making out like bandits. Anybody can see that this is lopsided. I mean I would question whether or not over the next 5 years Von Miller will match Willis, and he went 6. So to say a linebacker at 28 replaces Willis, on that deal, is comical at best.

Not being a hater cause Patriots is showing he's got some trading chops, but thinking this deal is fair is a bit much. Yes Welker, who is getting older, is good but to keep him for say 4 years will cost probably $25M, and is pretty much guaranteed to be outscored by Willis.

Its already been accepted, so this is just an opinion piece. Would just like some clarification on how this is accepted when the first two approvals comment on how Patriots is a bandit, but yet the Panthers/texans deal was lopsided. Couldn't the argument be made one team was being a bandit then.

Just want clarification on the line between deals being accepted or rejected so I can start schooling some newbies.

And congrats again to Patriots.

[pauljr1540]

Ha i vetoed. This trade to me is ridiculous and in all honesty makes me want to quit this league. If this is the way team are going to vote on trades then i don't want to be apart of it. There is no way this should have been approved. Ill let you know of my resignation by this evening

[bankshots]

It raises questions on how one trade TAB was strict in breaking it down and making sure it was even, and another they laugh as they pass it. But as you are aware 2009 Welker was SICK!

[Deleted]

As a TAB member I try to let the owners run their team without the league out of balance.

In no way was I saying that the #28 pick is going to offset the output of Willis. I'm saying that pick can be used to fill that void. And then taking a chance on a Welker could pay off for a 2011 run.

The 9ers do have another high 1st round pick. Maybe they're planning on targetting a Von Miller there and saw this as an opportunity to cash in on Patrick Willis.

2017 is a long way off as well. Willis will be 32 at the end of this deal. There are some 32 year old LB's that still produce, but they are few and far between. And most of them have dealt with injuries.

Like I said, Pats got the best of this deal on paper, but there are two sides to this deal. Even if harder to see.

[bankshots]

Agreed. Each owner should be able to run their team, but then what is the purpose of TAB? And Willis is going to be 32 at the end of the deal, which means he's 25 now. He is entering his prime and he will tear it up for the next 4-5 years.

Its just value is going to be tossed off. Its common to trade say a 2011 2nd for a 2012 1st. They are deals which happen in leagues like this and in the NFL itself. So if I get a guy to accept a 2011 4th for his 2012 1st and its vetoed, then someone could say that TAB is not letting them run their team.

A perennial top IDP on that deal is worth more than that. So now do these top players get true value or is it acceptable to trade top players for less than what you could get?

If there were cap implications and the niners had to do the trade for the good of their team that's one thing, but it could be argue that there is no contract in this league as valuable as Willis'. The Patriots look like they are playing for keeps, so next year that 3rd is gonna be a late pick. So they pick up a good 3rd this year and the best contract in the league, for a later 3rd next year (most likely), a late first, and a 30 year old receiver with 1 year left, FORCING the franchise tag to be used or there is no way the 49ers get full value back.

Its just with going through, its hard for TAB to veto anything now. Just the way I see it, cause if it has to be more lopsided than this to be vetoed, the teams will never come to an agreement in the first place.

Nothing can be done now, but it'd be good to have this discussion so everyone can know the thought process of TAB.

[Deleted]

I do have to admit I have scratched my head over some of the deals, but ultimately I have just come to the conclusion that this is just fantasy, even though a deal may look spectacular right now, you never know what will really happen until the games start... It's tough to keep that point of view all the time, but it is what it is.

[dansingingfool]

I try not to veto anything either. If there are huge names involved, I look into it a little more. Here's my thought process:

A league with similar scoring Willis scored just under three points per game more than Welker last season. I agree with Willis's contract (it could be arguably second best Defensively, behind Julius Peppers, imo). Welker's production will stay or go up, and if Franchised, easily will get two years of quality production.

Mostly I broke it down like Willis for a late first and Welker, which leaves this year third for next year's third, not enough to veto.

There is a fine line between agreeing with the trade, thinking that one of the trading parties is an idiot for doing it, and having it be enough to veto.

I will say that this is about as close as one would come for me on the veto. I went back and forth, fought with pulling the trigger one way or the other. Which, in turn, I thought if it was enough to go back and forth, it was enough to allow. For the record, I don't think anyone was "making out like a bandit."

[kpaige]

This is a PPR league, and Welker is pretty much set to get 90+ receptions, which makes him very valuable

[playmakers]

This deal was very close to being vetoable...but in the end of the day it could work out to favor either teams.