WAS - BUF

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Just going to try and point a couple of things. Believe or not, the Bills have a good defense, and a decent offense. Welker is still a WR1 in a 32-team league, at least for this year. You can't just disapprove every trade just because it is a new owner. I know this franchise has an "interesting" recent history, but you can't hold that against the new owner. I understand this isn't personal, but just think that this really may be skewed in an unfair way.

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2.6 (Lawrence) + 2.24 = Titans 2015 1

Generally you get to gain a round as you move back, so not bad value for the Bills.

Welker (expensive productive WR) + Cox (replacement DB) = Pollard (expensive productive DB).

You guys are acting like Welker will do absolutely nothing these 3 years. He still has a guy named Peyton throwing him the ball, at least this year. He most likely has 2 solid, but not elite years after that (kinda like Steve Smith).

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Jun 19, 2014 20:40:55 GMT @paulbetz said:

Look this happens in every league. Let me explain my actions. First off I came in late and yes this team needs help. Offensively and defensively. Welker will help me if I were going to keep him. He is not in my future Lawerence and the 2.26 is my future. Welker can and will be move. Yes Cox is a bust but that was just a throw in someone to occupy a roster spot. You guys gotta believe when I say I got a plan and this is only the beginning, in my other dynasty league I had no rookie picks but ended walking away from that draft with 3 1st & 7 total picks. And it started the same I traded Capernik and that trade was going the same way this one is but I took that team from nothing to a contender in a year. So give me a chance

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Welker's contract is up after this year in Denver and he WONT be back. He'll be 34 and they have Sanders, DT, and Latimer... not to mention J Thomas. After this year he will be worth nowhere near 10M.

Bills says he will move Welker... but the Skins have been VERY ACTIVELY shopping Welker for months with no success. 2.6 + 2.24 for a 2015 1st would be very fair... if the pick wasn't all but guaranteed to be top 10, probably top 5. Bills are really going to need that pick next year. The problem with the Bills team is that the players have little to no value. So many of the players are 2014 contracts or overpaid. I don't know what Fitzmagic's contract is, but it might as well be 2014 as he will be lucky to start this whole year let alone next.

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Jun 19, 2014 20:58:07 GMT @goebel02 said:

Welker's contract is up after this year in Denver and he WONT be back. He'll be 34 and they have Sanders, DT, and Latimer... not to mention J Thomas. After this year he will be worth nowhere near 10M.

Bills says he will move Welker... but the Skins have been VERY ACTIVELY shopping Welker for months with no success. 2.6 + 2.24 for a 2015 1st would be very fair... if the pick wasn't all but guaranteed to be top 10, probably top 5. Bills are really going to need that pick next year. The problem with the Bills team is that the players have little to no value. So many of the players are 2014 contracts or overpaid. I don't know what Fitzmagic's contract is, but it might as well be 2014 as he will be lucky to start this whole year let alone next.

I received a couple of decent offers for Welker. My expectations were just high. I did get an offer of a high 3rd. To say he has no value is exaggerating.

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Only a sucker would pay anything for him. If someone had 10M to spend they should have bid on a WR in FA. Decker went for a measly 6M. Problem with Welker is that he's signed til 2016...

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It will be a miracle if any new gm sticks at this rate. Im ready to quit and my trades went thru

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So you think Welker for a 3rd is value? Joke, but that is about right. I wouldnt give anything for him and you have been very aggressive in trying to trade him all offseason. What makes you think just because another GM gets him they will get anything for him? I know it must be a bit discouraging for some new GMs to come in and maybe the league needs to manage the Bills for a year to build them up and then let someone take them over as there just isnt a lot to work with if a new GM isnt patient with that team.

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I'm fine if a trade is vetoed, but they too many trades are being vetoed. I don't think this trade is that bad. It doesn't destroy the Bills franchise. He's clearly trying to compete now so why not let him? Not every team is trying to build for the future, some actually want to win now. The Bills, although they don't have an RB, should have a pretty good team this year. They have a starting QB great WR's a starting TE a good D-Line. It could be a playoff contender. I don't see what the problem is if he doesn't want to rebuild right now. He'll still have a first next year too, so it's not like he won't have picks.

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Jun 19, 2014 23:46:01 GMT @kgp1 said:

I'm fine if a trade is vetoed, but they too many trades are being vetoed. I don't think this trade is that bad. It doesn't destroy the Bills franchise. He's clearly trying to compete now so why not let him? Not every team is trying to build for the future, some actually want to win now. The Bills, although they don't have an RB, should have a pretty good team this year. They have a starting QB great WR's a starting TE a good D-Line. It could be a playoff contender. I don't see what the problem is if he doesn't want to rebuild right now. He'll still have a first next year too, so it's not like he won't have picks.

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Jun 19, 2014 23:46:01 GMT @kgp1 said:

I'm fine if a trade is vetoed, but they too many trades are being vetoed. I don't think this trade is that bad. It doesn't destroy the Bills franchise. He's clearly trying to compete now so why not let him? Not every team is trying to build for the future, some actually want to win now. The Bills, although they don't have an RB, should have a pretty good team this year. They have a starting QB great WR's a starting TE a good D-Line. It could be a playoff contender. I don't see what the problem is if he doesn't want to rebuild right now. He'll still have a first next year too, so it's not like he won't have picks.

How are too many trades being vetoed? If your trade would have been vetoed again with the Bills his team wouldn't be so shitty and this trade would probably pass... Honestly that trade and the whole ordeal with the old Bills is 90% of the reason I feel we can't let a trade like this pass. We've just seen it happen TOO MANY times where a new owner comes in and makes terrible trades right away and regrets it or bails later. Honestly would either of you (WAS or TB) make this trade in the Bills' position? I highly doubt you would give up that Titans 1st if either of you owned the Bills.

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Jun 20, 2014 1:06:47 GMT @goebel02 said:

Jun 19, 2014 23:46:01 GMT @kgp1 said:

I'm fine if a trade is vetoed, but they too many trades are being vetoed. I don't think this trade is that bad. It doesn't destroy the Bills franchise. He's clearly trying to compete now so why not let him? Not every team is trying to build for the future, some actually want to win now. The Bills, although they don't have an RB, should have a pretty good team this year. They have a starting QB great WR's a starting TE a good D-Line. It could be a playoff contender. I don't see what the problem is if he doesn't want to rebuild right now. He'll still have a first next year too, so it's not like he won't have picks.

How are too many trades being vetoed? If your trade would have been vetoed again with the Bills his team wouldn't be so shitty and this trade would probably pass... Honestly that trade and the whole ordeal with the old Bills is 90% of the reason I feel we can't let a trade like this pass. We've just seen it happen TOO MANY times where a new owner comes in and makes terrible trades right away and regrets it or bails later. Honestly would either of you (WAS or TB) make this trade in the Bills' position? I highly doubt you would give up that Titans 1st if either of you owned the Bills.

U can't hold someone else's moves against new Bills. Be honest, just curious, won't be mad: if an established owner (like Ravens or Giants or something) owned the bills and made this trade, would u approve it?

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If the same trade was made by the Ravens or Giants... yes I would approve it in a heartbeat. Those guys have been here years, and have proven that they know what they are doing. Bills have been here 6 days and this is his first trade. How do we know he's not going to do the same thing the old Bills did? This isn't about holding things against people... It's about doing what is best for the league. We can't just continue to let that shit happen and not learn from our mistakes. You've proven to me that you know what you are doing with a team... same with Bucs. But you guys have not been here long and have not seen this happen 15 times before where a new team gets taken advantage of...

So again... I answered your question... you answer honestly... If you were in the Bills' shoes, would you make that trade? Do you think it's a smart move for that franchise?

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Been here very short time ..loads of experience I see nothing wrong with the trade it is not collusion nor is it very one sided ,to each his own and to say if the same trade was done by another owner you would approve is slighting that owner and not allowing him to compete it was not a one sided deal nor was it posted after being agreed upon and then DECLINED by an unnamed owner.

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Jun 20, 2014 1:20:39 GMT @goebel02 said:

If the same trade was made by the Ravens or Giants... yes I would approve it in a heartbeat. Those guys have been here years, and have proven that they know what they are doing. Bills have been here 6 days and this is his first trade. How do we know he's not going to do the same thing the old Bills did? This isn't about holding things against people... It's about doing what is best for the league. We can't just continue to let that shit happen and not learn from our mistakes. You've proven to me that you know what you are doing with a team... same with Bucs. But you guys have not been here long and have not seen this happen 15 times before where a new team gets taken advantage of...

So again... I answered your question... you answer honestly... If you were in the Bills' shoes, would you make that trade? Do you think it's a smart move for that franchise?

My honest answer is no. However, I would choose to do a complete rebuild with that team. If I wanted to compete this year (like the new Bills appear to want to), I WOULD. So my best answer, is that it depends on what I wanted to do with the team.